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Kimberly Fender

Courtroom still of Kimberly Fender.

Therapist at Columbia Counseling Center who met with Elias Jones in 2012.

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Kimberly Fender, a counselor who had worked with Elias and Merah in late 2012 and early 2013, testified for the defense on Day 20. Before her testimony, the parties disputed whether the children's counseling statements could be heard. The defense argued the testimony supported its position that Jones believed the children had been abandoned; the State objected on relevance, hearsay, and statutory-protection grounds.

The court did not make a final admissibility ruling at that point and directed the defense to call Fender. In a proffer, she described intake forms and counseling notes reflecting concerns about grief, being left alone, and discipline, including statements attributed to the children about their mother leaving them alone. She also said she did not report Jones to DSS and had not seen anything she believed warranted a report.

On cross-examination, Fender confirmed that her counseling work ended in January 2013. She had no later contact with the children and was unaware of later disclosures to school counselors concerning physical abuse or a wish to live with their mother. She later gave direct testimony identifying her employment at Columbia Counseling Center and her counseling work with Elias and Merah, and again confirmed the January 2013 endpoint on cross-examination.

Key Points

Trial Record (7)

Trial 12019 Murder TrialApr 29, 2019 – Jun 13, 2019Called by defense

Kimberly Fender testified for the defense about counseling she provided to Elias and Merah in late 2012 and early 2013, after the court heard disputes over the proposed testimony's admissibility. Cross-examination established that her contact ended in January 2013 and did not extend to later disclosures.

Day 18

Day 20

ProceduralCounselor Testimony Admissibility Hearing Continues1highlightMentioned

Summary

The court heard competing arguments over counselor testimony and deferred a final admissibility decision until it heard some of Fender's testimony.

Mentioned in this proceeding.

Highlights (1)

objectionCounsel disputed whether Kimberly Fender could testify about the children's counseling sessions, with the State asserting relevance, hearsay, and statutory-protection objections and the defense arguing the testimony supported its theory of defense.Open in transcript →
DirectKimberly Fender β€” Proffer DirectKimberly FenderBoyd Young2highlights53lines spoken

Summary

Therapist Kimberly Fender gave a defense proffer about counseling records, reported family concerns, discipline, and her lack of a DSS report.

Highlights (2)

testimony highlightFender described information recorded in Elias's counseling intake and session notes, including grief over his mother, fears of being left alone, and the discipline methods reported by Tim Jones.Open in transcript →Watch this moment ▶
Quoteβ€œI can't remember -- since he was so young, I believe he was five, I can't remember if I met with him alone or with Tim in the room. Usually, I will meet alone, but when they're young, sometimes, they don't like to be alone by themselves without the parent. So I can't -- I actually can't remember.”— Kimberly FenderFender expressly qualified her recollection about whether Elias met with her alone.Open in transcript →
CrossKimberly Fender β€” Proffer CrossKimberly FenderSuzanne Mayes2highlights7lines spoken

Summary

Kimberly Fender confirmed that her counseling contact ended in January 2013 and that she lacked knowledge of later school-counselor disclosures.

Highlights (2)

testimony highlightFender said she had no contact after January 23 and was not aware of later disclosures to school counselors concerning physical abuse or Merah's wish to live with her mother.Open in transcript →
Quoteβ€œAfter January 23rd, I didn't have any contact.”— Kimberly FenderDefines the temporal limit of Fender's knowledge about the children.Open in transcript →