6.Brian Travis — Direct/Cross
597 linesBRIAN TRAVIS, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
COURT CLERK: Have a seat over there, please. If you'll state your name and spell your last for the record.
BRIAN TRAVIS: Brian Travis, T-R-A-V-I-S.
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. MADSEN:
ROBERT MADSEN: Detective Travis, where are you employed?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I'm employed at the Lexington County Sheriff's Department.
ROBERT MADSEN: Judge, I would ask to be able to lead under 611(c)?
THE COURT: Mr. Graham?
SHAWN GRAHAM: I'm sorry, Your Honor.
THE COURT: He asked to --
ROBERT MADSEN: I asked to lead under 611(c).
SHAWN GRAHAM: I don't think he's shown himself to be hostile.
THE COURT: I'll allow it.
ROBERT MADSEN: How long have you worked at Lexington County?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I've been employed there for 12 years.
ROBERT MADSEN: And what is your position there?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I'm a detective assigned to the criminal intelligence unit as a criminal intelligence analyst.
ROBERT MADSEN: And so is that your only law enforcement experience?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I've been at the sheriff's department the whole time. I've served many different roles at the sheriff's department.
ROBERT MADSEN: And what is your position now?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I'm a detective in the criminal intelligence unit and so my actual position is a criminal intelligence analyst.
ROBERT MADSEN: Can you tell the jury what a criminal intelligence analyst does?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Sure. So intelligence is just information. And so when you look at criminal intelligence, it's information about crimes. And so my job as a criminal intelligence analyst is to take the information that's provided about the crimes and the people that committed them and to create actionable plans and patterns and recognition, things like that.
ROBERT MADSEN: And you kind of -- within that criminal intelligence area, you kind of have a specialty?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I mostly deal with communications analysis and geographic location analysis. So people using phones, cell phones specifically, and then where their locations are from that.
ROBERT MADSEN: And can you take that data -- and you analyze it. Can you also utilize that in mapping?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I do.
ROBERT MADSEN: Judge, at this point in time, we would offer him as an expert in cellular analysis and mapping.
THE COURT: Any voir dire?
SHAWN GRAHAM: Not on that, Your Honor.
THE COURT: The detective can offer opinions as to cellular data of cell phones and mapping thereof.
ROBERT MADSEN: Did you have an occasion to become involved in this case?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I did.
ROBERT MADSEN: Was that -- you were asked, I guess, by Captain Fossum to begin collecting and analyzing some information?
BRIAN TRAVIS: He was -- he's been my captain the whole time. I, honestly, at this point don't remember if he specifically started it or if it was the major crimes unit. But my help was requested in the case back in 2014.
ROBERT MADSEN: And, initially, you're provided phone numbers and I guess maybe some associated names with those phone numbers, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Generally, yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: And you're able to use some online search material that's available to you to gather some additional information?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So I have what's provided to me, both through the cell phone records or any report information. I do use open source intelligence when available. And then I have several computer system programs that we have that are utilized for doing the analysis for mapping.
ROBERT MADSEN: And I think you were given some of Tim's T-Mobile phone records, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And wasn't there kind of a snafu initially about maybe a couple of numbers being transposed?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That, I couldn't tell you about. That might have happened before the records were given to me.
ROBERT MADSEN: Okay. And you were asked to make a hot list, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Uh-huh.
ROBERT MADSEN: Can you tell the jury what a hot list is?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So when you're looking at, generally anything, but specifically, in this case and cellular records, a hot list is going to be who the person is speaking to the most over that span of records. It's generally considered the top ten or so. And so you look at a call frequency, how often did these two phone numbers talk to each other and then it counts those out. So you'll have a phone number and an amount of transactions between them.
ROBERT MADSEN: And were you able to take those numbers that you developed into that hot list and kind of put names and associate those?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I think almost all of them we were able to associate to someone or a business.
ROBERT MADSEN: And at some point in time, did you receive copies of or receipts that came out of Tim's car?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: And were you able to take those cell phone records that you have and those receipts and create a timeline?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I was.
ROBERT MADSEN: Let me show you what's been marked as Defense for ID 212. Is that the timeline that you created?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It's one of them.
ROBERT MADSEN: And is that a fair and accurate representation of that timeline?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: And I think initially you --
ROBERT MADSEN: Well, Judge, at this point in time, we would move Defense 212 into evidence.
SHAWN GRAHAM: No objection.
THE COURT: 212, the timeline and cell phones accepted without objection. (WHEREUPON, Defendant's Exhibit number 212 was admitted into evidence.)
ROBERT MADSEN: I think, initially, when you did -- you had the cellular data, then also the receipts, but then you received some banking information after that and kind of added that onto here, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So that timeline started off as kind of a work in product. We had a big piece of paper and were kind of handwriting a lot of information in. So it looked at the cell phone location we had, it looked at some of the receipts we had and then it also looked at the financial transactions from bank records that were returned.
ROBERT MADSEN: And I think when I asked you or told you that I was going to ask you about this, I think you looked at it the other night and found a few errors and had corrected those?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: This is kind of large. Let me show -- I'm going to have you just kind of go over, once I put it on the overhead. Can you just kind of explain to the jury what are they just kind of seeing here?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So it's pretty much, at the time, the most basic timeline I could have created. And so from the left side of the paper moving towards right, it moves from the oldest date towards the newest date. And so then any place we were able to put a location to, we put on there in sequential order.
ROBERT MADSEN: So it kind of follows all the way down?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Uh-huh.
ROBERT MADSEN: So we're starting, I guess, on the 28th, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then it appears the first thing you have is a call from Amber Jones on the 28th in Lexington, South Carolina, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That's the first one that's on that, yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then the next one is also another Lexington, South Carolina call from Amber?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then because of space limitations, you have to jump sometimes up and sometimes below, but just putting those sequentially, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So I used a program called Microsoft Vizio to make that. And, basically, it automatically did that for me to fit the timeline.
ROBERT MADSEN: And so, the next thing that you have was on the 29th at the Exxon in Lexington, South Carolina?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And these up here indicate that those are calls. Would this down here indicate that it was not a call and maybe a receipt?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct. In that specific, it was definitely from a receipt that was found in the vehicle.
ROBERT MADSEN: And you denote those on there if they are from say, a call or from some of those cellular analysis or those phone records you received, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And so the next then on the 29th, I believe, is at the Mountain Express in Thompson, Georgia, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Uh-huh.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then we follow up a call from Lithonia, Georgia to Zam Zam and that's also on the 29th?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yep.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then we've got one right here, it's got two lines and they kind of intersect. Both of them on the 29th and both of them appear to be calls. What does it mean that the line -- that it's showing that it's intersecting before it's kind of hitting the timeline?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It's just the way the program -- because the times are so close, it's just the way the program did it. Because when you look at the whole span of the timeline, you're talking, I think, it was nine days. So it's got to fit enough blocks in there for 24 hours a day times nine days, so it just compresses everything. So because the calls were only about a minute apart, it just -- if you were able to zoom in all the way down really, really small, you would see a minute space between them, but when it prints out like that, it just looks like it's all one line.
ROBERT MADSEN: I got you. And that says call to Cook Springs, Alabama. So that means that that phone is in Cook Springs, Alabama when they received the call from, I guess, Roberta Thornsberry?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: So then we jump down to the bottom. And again, on the 29th, this time, it's at the Marathon Gas Station in Birmingham, Alabama?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: It appears then on the 29th, we're in Tuscaloosa, Alabama and that appears to be a call, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Right.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then on the 29th, Lithia Springs, Georgia, and that is a call, also?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then we are next on the -- again, on the 29th at Bumper to Bumper in Washington, Georgia?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: So that is not a call? That's based on some kind of documentation you received?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then we've got one here on 8/30 in Lexington and then below on 8/30 at Lexington and it appears that those are about a minute apart. And is that what you said that -- those if you got down kind of microscopic, there might be a small little thing, but because of the pixilation in that, it looks like it's kind of intersecting, but those are two different times --
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, because they're so close together, you can't see separation.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then it looks like there's a space here on the 31st to the 1st. So you don't have anything for that time period, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then the next thing that we see is on the 1st at the Citgo in Clinton, South Carolina, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then we jump down again on the 1st at the Dunkin Donuts in Spartanburg, South Carolina?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And we go to the top in Winnsboro on the 1st. And that is a call from Winnsboro to Christina Ehlke?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And that has a time associated with it. And then we're down at the bottom on the 1st and a call in Lugoff from Amanda Jones. So she has called his phone and that's where it's hitting is in Lugoff?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then it looks like we jump to the next day, and on 9/2 at the Kangaroo in Folly Beach?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then later on 9/2, we're at West Columbia, the Quick Pantry?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then later on 9/2, in Aiken?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then at the Race Trac on 9/2 in Athens, Georgia? And then I guess we jump another call and this is in -- on 9/2 and this is in Lawrenceville, Georgia?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then later in 9/2, in Macon, Georgia, and then there's another one below that's also Macon, and then I think that there's also one down kind of at the bottom from Macon. And those kind of look like they intersect, but they're just --
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: -- spacing? And then on 9/3, we're at the Wal-Mart in West Columbia?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: Followed up on 9/3, Sunoco in Cayce?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then later on 9/3, at the Advance Auto Parts in Lake City?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then we jump to the next day, Charleston. I think that that kind of intersects with another call showing that that's in Charleston?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, it does.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then at Blue Water Exxon in Mt. Pleasant on 9/4?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So just to clarify that point, back in 2014, we thought it was in Mt. Pleasant. Later on, we learned that we couldn't place an exact location where that was other than it was somewhere in the Charleston County area.
ROBERT MADSEN: Okay. But then we know later on 9/4 in Camden buying gas?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then later that same day at the Dollar General in Orangeburg?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then in Lexington on 9/4?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then we jump to the 5th, and we're in Louisville, Georgia?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And that appears to be the only thing on the 5th. And then 9/6, in Greenville, Alabama at the Bypass Food Mart?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then at a bank in Camden, Alabama on the 6th?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: And then a Taco Bell in Laurel, Mississippi?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
ROBERT MADSEN: So the timeline goes from August 28th to September 6th?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Right.
ROBERT MADSEN: And just kind of looking from beginning to end and jumping all around, it didn't appear to be any kind of pattern or reason that someone would be from one area to the next and back and forth, does there?
BRIAN TRAVIS: When you take in the totality of the information, if you look at only locations, it can be a bit confusing, but when you look at the context of what gave us those locations, almost every one of those locations appears to be goal driven. There was a specific thing he was trying to get to or do at that time and then his plans changed. I can't say what changed his plans, but we were given lots of information since that timeline was made.
ROBERT MADSEN: That's all the questions I have.
THE COURT: You need a break? Step in the jury room, have you back in a few minutes. Don't talk about the case. (WHEREUPON, the jury was excused from the courtroom for a break.)
(Whereupon, a short break was taken.)
THE COURT: Y'all ready? All right. Bring the jury in. (Whereupon, the jury came into open court at approximately 3:15 p.m.)
CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. GRAHAM:
SHAWN GRAHAM: Mr. Travis, you said your title at work was a criminal intelligence analyst, is that right?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What is a criminal intelligence analyst?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So as I said before, criminal intelligence is information about crimes. It can be the who, the whats, the wheres, the whens, the hows, the whys. And then -- so the job of an analyst is to take that criminal intelligence and develop patterns and predictions, operational plans, staffing, all different things like that.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what's your background, education, training and experience in that position?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So I've been in this current position for five years, five and a half years. Before that, I worked as a major crimes detective. Before that, I was a property crimes detective, a field training officer and I started off as a road deputy at the sheriff's department. Education-wise, I have a Bachelor's and a Master's from physics from USC in Columbia. I've been to over 600 hours of training related to law enforcement. Included in that, I've been to the International Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Analysts basic intelligence course. I've been through the International Association of Crime Analysts training symposium. I have numerous certificates from both of those organizations about crime analysis and intelligence analysis.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Your Honor, the State would offer Detective Brian Travis as an expert in the field of criminal intelligence analysis.
THE COURT: Any voir dire on that field? VOIR DIRE
BY MR. MADSEN:
SHAWN GRAHAM: Just with the analysis, you can determine patterns?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So it's more than just patterns. Some people -- I don't like to use the word, but you hear profiling, criminal profiling, that comes into it. You look at patterns of crimes. You look at similarities, differences. And now the biggest push, of course, the key kind of catch word now is predictive policing, that is intelligence lead policing. So you take criminal intelligence, you look at historical data and use it to model and what we typically call forecasting or a general idea of where a crime may happen based on historical dates.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And when you say that, that just means you get a bunch of -- a rash of breaking into motor vehicles and can determine a pattern that might give you a prediction of where that might go next?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That's part of it.
SHAWN GRAHAM: But it doesn't give you like a crystal ball?
BRIAN TRAVIS: No, no, no.
ROBERT MADSEN: Judge, we would object to his qualifications.
THE COURT: Get a little bit more voir dire if you like, Mr. Graham.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Your Honor, that's his job title, that's what he's been trained for and that's what he does. He's got over 600 hours of police experience. He's been doing the job for several years. He takes records of different kinds. He takes statements and puts them together and he explains what happens to the best he can. I'm not asking that he guess, I'm asking him to look at data and explain.
THE COURT: I think with his training, he can do exactly that in this case. He's not giving an opinion, is he or is he?
SHAWN GRAHAM: Only to the extent that Mr. Madsen in his last question asked him and he said that his actions were goal driven. We're going to go through and he's going to explain why he thinks they're goal driven based on the data that he sees.
ROBERT MADSEN: Judge, that would be similar to a criminal profiler that has been consistently held to be a problem in the courts of South Carolina. Basically, hey, I see this and -- I mean, it's just basically all speculation.
THE COURT: He's been qualified as an expert in cell phone and cell phone tower data analysis right now, correct?
ROBERT MADSEN: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: We'll go forward with that expertise in offering opinions and see where we get. So I'm going -- I think I need to hear more information about what data he's analyzing before I'm going to move forward to the more general qualification expert you asked for. But he's been qualified as an expert in data analysis from cell phones as well as cell towers and other electronic devices.
BY MR. GRAHAM:
SHAWN GRAHAM: Detective Travis, when you testified before the break, the timeline that you put up was the timeline that you created at the actual time the crime occurred, when it was first being investigated, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Since that time, you've had an opportunity to get more records and make a more detailed list?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: You considered the Defendant's call detail records, which are his phone records that would show incoming and outgoing phone calls and locations for some of those calls?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Your Honor, the State would offer what's already marked as State's 33 in evidence, which are the Defendant's T-Mobile records.
THE COURT: Subject to prior objection pretrial?
ROBERT MADSEN: Can I see those?
THE COURT: Sure. (Whereupon, State's Exhibit 33 was admitted into evidence.) (Whereupon, State's Exhibit 33A was marked for identification, admitted.)
SHAWN GRAHAM: State's 33 is the Defendant's call detail records?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: That is something that you would have used to construct the more thorough timeline, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I actually had used it on that timeline and then have revisited it several times since then.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Let me show you State's 137 for ID at the moment and ask if you recognize those?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I do.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And those are the bank records from State Federal Credit Union of the Defendant, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Your Honor, the State would offer 137 into evidence.
ROBERT MADSEN: No objection.
THE COURT: No objection, 137 is in. (WHEREUPON, State's Exhibit number 137 was admitted into evidence.)
SHAWN GRAHAM: So now you have phone records, you have the State Federal Credit Union records and then you also had copies of receipts that were found in the vehicle when he was stopped in Mississippi, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And let me show you some photographs and ask you if you recognize those as being the receipts?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, I do recognize those as being receipts.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And, specifically, I'm referring to the receipts that are in the photographs State's Exhibit 61 through 68. Now, did you take all of that information and combine it together to show the Defendant's movements?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, along with his phone bill.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And that would have been the cell phone extraction that Mike Phipps did?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Let me show you what's been premarked as 202 and ask if that's the document that you created for the time period of August 28th through the time the vehicle was stopped?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It is.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And does that fairly and accurately combine all the information from the different sources that we've discussed?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, it has.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Your Honor, the State would offer that in evidence at this time.
COURT REPORTER: What's that number again?
THE COURT: 202.
COURT REPORTER: Timeline, okay.
ROBERT MADSEN: Judge, we would object. I think consistent with your ruling, he can testify to it, but actually putting the -- basically, an amalgamation of all the information.
THE COURT: That didn't require his expertise, it required his organizing the data.
ROBERT MADSEN: We would think he could testify to it instead of putting it together and putting it in.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Judge, they put a timeline in.
THE COURT: Y'all put a timeline in. It's your witness. I'm going to let it in. (WHEREUPON, State's Exhibit number 202 was admitted into evidence.)
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you have a copy of this up there with you?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I do.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And it looks really small and it's really detailed, but, in essence, in general terms, overall, what is that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So it has a date and the time from when the event happened. I tried to label what the event was as concisely as I could and give it a label. And I did all this with the intent of putting it on a map. This was my list to use for mapping purposes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And you talk about a map, let me show you what's been premarked as 203. Is this the map you're talking about?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It is.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And did you prepare this map?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I did.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And does it correspond to explain the movements that we see up in 202?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It does.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Your Honor, the State would offer this into evidence.
THE COURT: So that map is a location of all the time points on Exhibit 202?
SHAWN GRAHAM: Yes, sir. (Whereupon, a bench conference was held in the presence of the jury but out of the hearing of the jury.)
SHAWN GRAHAM: So your ruling on the map is?
THE COURT: Since the map wasn't given earlier, I'm going to keep it out. Marked for identification. (WHEREUPON, State's Exhibit number 203 was marked for identification.)
BY MR. GRAHAM:
SHAWN GRAHAM: You're also familiar with State's 77, which was the extraction report prepared by Investigator Phipps?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: In combining all these together, let's talk about your entry points on here, it looks like there's 44 of them, and what's going on.
BRIAN TRAVIS: Okay.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Starting on your first entry, I believe that would have been, from testimony earlier, that the children were picked up at approximately 6:15, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yeah, I was able to use a video to time stamp.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Moving down to the second entry and the third entry, those were the incoming calls from Amber?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The times on those two calls on the night of the 28th are what?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The first one was at 7:19 p.m. and the second one was at 9:34 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: During those times or phone calls, were you able to determine where that phone was physically located?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The only thing we could determine is which tower the phone had hit off of during that time. And that's what the GPS locations are is the tower's location.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So where I have the light, the latitude and the longitude, those are the coordinates from the cell tower that that phone pinged off of?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And is that in the area of the Defendant's home?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It is.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Down to the fourth entry, 1:50 a.m., now on the morning of the 29th, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And you've got down bought cigarettes from Cooper's Corner. How do you know that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: We got both financial records and the receipt for that, and so we knew from the receipt what was purchased.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you remember how much the amount of the purchase was or how many cigarettes were purchased?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Ten packs of cigarettes and I believe the total purchase price was 42.15.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Now, Cooper's Corner is located where?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It's -- 1910 South Lake is right at the intersection of South Lake Drive and Platts Springs Road.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And how far away is that from the Defendant's house?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Roughly, maybe a half mile at the most. Just down the road.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So the next thing you see after the purchase of the cigarettes at 1:50 a.m. is what?
BRIAN TRAVIS: At 10:32, there was a purchase at the Mountain Express Truck Stop in Thompson, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So we're now at 10:32 a.m. So that's the first time you see him moving away from the house?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And this is on the morning of the 29th?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Looking at State's 77, which was Investigator Phipps' forensic examination of phone, what's going on prior to and up to 10:32 a.m. on the morning of the 29th, starting from 1:50 -- starting from your time of 1:50 for the cigarette purchase?
BRIAN TRAVIS: There's several calls coming into the call log. And on the extraction it shows them -- several of them as missed calls. And it shows a rejected call as well -- oh, I'm sorry, I think I'm on the wrong day. Missed calls and then text messages.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The text messages are the ones back and forth to the babysitter, Christina Ehlke, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So at 10:52 -- well, let's start back. At 9:38, Christina Ehlke text and says, Just wondering if the kids are coming. And then time-wise, the next thing that happens is he is in Mountain Express Truck Stop, which is where?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Thompson, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: He's in Thompson, Georgia. And then at 10:52, a few minutes later, he text what to Christina Ehlke?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The text message says, Don't worry about this morning. I'll see you later next week.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then the response from her is what?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So are they coming Monday or when?
SHAWN GRAHAM: And his response?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Tuesday.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The next entry you have after Mountain Express that shows location is what?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Somewhere around the area of Decatur, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What part of Georgia, I'm sorry?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Decatur, it's a suburb of Atlanta.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what time is that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 12:14 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what -- where are you pulling that item from?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That came from the phone records.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And you said that was 12:14, right after lunch? Am I right?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Described as an outgoing call to Zam Zam?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What is Zam Zam?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So using the number that was called from the phone records, we were able to find out that it belonged to a Zam Zam, I believe it was herbal incense shop, I believe is what it was titled, in Atlanta, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Going back to State's 77, the forensic examination of the phone, the call was 12:14 in the afternoon on the 29th, what were the Google search at 12:11?
BRIAN TRAVIS: At 12:11, herbal incense, Atlanta, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And the web history one minute later?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It was from yellowpages.com, herbal incense smoke shops near Atlanta, Georgia with reviews, YP mobile.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And Scooby Snax or that type of spice was not -- was legal in South Carolina at the time, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: It was illegal in Georgia at that time, wasn't it?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I believe so.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And Alabama?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And Mississippi?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So the next time that you can place him physically anywhere is seven and eight, 2:20 in the afternoon on the 29th. Where do you have him at that time?
BRIAN TRAVIS: When I focused in on the GPS, it came up as Pell City, Alabama for the first one and Moody, Alabama for the second one. And both of those are right along I-20.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The time period is what for those two? 2:20 and --
BRIAN TRAVIS: 2:20 and 2:21.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Going back to 77, the phone examination, 1:17 p.m. on the 29th, the bottom of Page 2, there's a Google search at 1:17 in the afternoon. What's that search for?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The search is for herbal incense illegal in Alabama.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then following up with the web history at 1:19 and 1:51, what's he doing on his phone?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The first one was a web history that says Georgia issues alert over herbal incense. The second one is a search from Google for herbal incense Alabama.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then there's three additional web history related to the same item, isn't there?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Then supernova herbal incense and others available for sale from Alabama, Alabama head shops and smoke shops, bongs, kratom, glass pipes, pipe shops, vaporizers in Alabama. And then Zero Gravity Smoke Shop in Decatur, Alabama, 35601.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Thank you, Detective. Moving down, the next call or purchase is at 2:54. That will be your item nine, I believe. Do you see that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, sir.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So where are you getting that information from?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That's from the bank records.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you know what he bought?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I do not.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where is he at at that time?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Birmingham, Alabama.
SHAWN GRAHAM: All right. The next entry, number ten, we're now at 4:30 p.m., you've got down misdialed call to Roberta. Why is it a misdialed call to Roberta?
BRIAN TRAVIS: When you look at the numbers, there was an extra number in there that would have kept the call from completing, but the rest of the number was her number.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what time was that again?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 4:30 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: All right. Going back to State's 77, the forensic examination, what does the web history show for 3:06 p.m.?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Delusions Smoke Shop in Birmingham, Alabama 35205, Cloud Nine Southside Tattoo and Piercing Smoke Shop in Birmingham, Alabama 35205.
SHAWN GRAHAM: As far as him traveling across east to west, leaving Lexington going to Alabama, the farthest you get him at that time is on that missed call, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And he makes it to the far side of Birmingham, Alabama?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What's the next physical location you can place him at?
BRIAN TRAVIS: After that, it's Lithia Springs, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What time are we at now?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 8:04 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: On the 29th?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Let's back up then. So before he makes it back to Lithia, Georgia, at 8/29 -- on the 29th at 4:41, what is he searching for on Google?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Herbal incense Mississippi legal, Mississippi lawmakers snuff out spice.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then at 4:44, it's a misspelling, so spell it the way that he typed it.
BRIAN TRAVIS: It's C-A-M-P-U-N-G.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then the associated web history at 4:45?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Reserveamerica.com, campgrounds and camping reservations.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And I had you coming back and we had made it to -- back to Georgia. And you got that record for 8:04 p.m. on the night of the 29th from his phone records?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And you identified it as a call to Market Traders Institute. What is Market Traders Institute?
BRIAN TRAVIS: From looking it up, it appears to be like a stock trading company that teaches you how to do day trading and things like that.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The next physical location that you can place him at is where?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Washington, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Now, is that continuing coming back towards the Lexington area?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What time is that at?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Washington, Georgia was at 10:29 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So we're on Friday the 29th at 10:29 p.m.?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Now, where does that entry come from?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It was both a receipt and what was on the bank records.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And it says made a purchase at Bumper to Bumper for $30.18?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Does the receipt show you what he bought?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The receipt's not in here, but if memory serves, it was a gas receipt.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Moving on down to the next time you physically place him somewhere, it's now the next morning, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct, 10:53 a.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And we're on the 30th, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And you identify it as ATM use, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So what did you find out?
BRIAN TRAVIS: $500.00 dollars was withdrawn from his account at a Palmetto Citizens Federal Credit Union ATM.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then one minute later, you show him at the Quick Serve?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yeah, we were able to see that there was a time difference with the bank records. So what it most likely meant was that the time at the two different banks wasn't the same. Because the time we were able to reconcile it to was 10:48 a.m., so that's six minutes in between the two locations.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Those two locations, the ATM withdrawal and the Quick Serve purchase, the addresses, where was he at?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Red Bank in the Lexington area of South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The next time you see him somewhere else is when?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The next one is in Spartanburg at Dunkin Donuts.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what date and time are we then?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That is September 1st at 4:02 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where is he at?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Spartanburg, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what was the time again, I apologize?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 4:02 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Prior to that, prior to 4:02 p.m., let's go back to State's 77, the forensic examination. Starting with the internet searches and web history on the 1st, prior to the Dunkin Donuts. Do you see those starting at 10:08 in the morning?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I do.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Would you tell the jury what searches and what web history was going on the phone that morning?
BRIAN TRAVIS: So the first search item through Google search was again that C-A-M-P-U-N-G, which then has a pound sign Q equals camping South Carolina. Then Southcarolinaparks.com, tent and RV camping in South Carolina State Parks, campground cooking in South Carolina State Parks, boating and camping at Devils Fork in Cheraw State Parks, trailside camping in South Carolina State Parks, South Carolina dumps, Lexington County's website for collection and recycling centers, the index page C&D Landfill, Lexington County, construction and debris landfill, items accepted, home animal services.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then there's some YouTube searches still that morning as well, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What are those?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Stix Long Arm of the Law, Stix Long Arm of the Law lyrics, Comfortably Numb, Pink Floyd lyrics.
SHAWN GRAHAM: All right. Now, we find ourselves at a Dunkin Donuts in Spartanburg, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And the approximate -- not the approximate, the time on that is 4:02 and 4:05 p.m. in the afternoon on the 1st?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you have receipts for those and do you know what was purchased?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes. We have both receipts and video. So the first purchase was six doughnuts totaling $4.35, that was paid with a Visa. And the second order was a iced coffee, large, original blend with some kind of discount. It was -- totaled a dollar eight, paid with cash.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where does he go from there?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The next time -- location recorded was in Winnsboro, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what time was that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 6:20 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then the next location?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Lugoff, South Carolina at 7:00 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And we're on September 1st, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And the next location?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The next location is the 2nd of September, 1:29 a.m., the Kangaroo Express in Folly Beach, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And the next location after that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The Quick Pantry gas station in West Columbia at 10:59 a.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what day are we on right now?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Still on the 2nd.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what time?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That one was at 10:59 a.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: If you look on State's 77, just prior to that 10:59 a.m. entry when he is back in West Columbia, there is some YouTube searches that begin at 10:35. You see those?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, sir.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So what were the searches for?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The YouTube -- the first search was a YouTube search for dog search for body in landfill. Then clean -- same thing, YouTube search clean pool -- I'm going to spell it since it's spelled wrong, M-U-R-A-T-I-C acid. Then the next one, a YouTube search again, M-U-R-A-T-I-C acid burn. Then it switches to a Google search for camping Columbia, SC, which takes it to a web history for River Bottoms Farm and has Yogi Bear's Jellystone Park Camp Resort, Columbia, SC, goodsamcamping.com, Columbia, South Carolina campgrounds, RV parks camping info, Good Sam camping. The next item is a Google search that says what does no extradition laws mean.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What does extradition mean, do you know?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Extradition is the process of bringing someone from one location to another to stand trial for criminal charges.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Continue on, please?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Web history for five countries with no U. S. extradition treaty hyphen fine law blotter. Than MPR.org, you face a U.S. legal problem, where should you run, parallels MPR.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Now, we were at 10:59 a.m. on the 2nd. There's also some text that occurred between the Defendant's phone and Christina Ehlke at that time. Do you see those?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Will you tell the jury what texting is going on at that moment?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The first one is from Christina, it says, Can you send me a text saying I have permission to enter the house and clean and keep what I want just so I DNT get in trouble? He responds back, Sure. Go ahead and clean up. And a few seconds later, Everything is going okay, question mark.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then his next search term a few minutes later at 11:04 a.m., what is he again looking for?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Camping Route 77, Exit 88, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then location-wise, where are you finding him next?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Clinton, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What date and time are we on now on yours?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The search was at 11:04. The location we had was at 3:22 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What item number was that, 22?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, sir.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And it's the Citgo Corner Mart, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And were you able to determine what he purchased?
BRIAN TRAVIS: No. That was from a bank record.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Next, where do you physically find him?
BRIAN TRAVIS: At 4:19 p.m., Athens, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where is he at? What's he doing?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Buying gas.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And that's the $78.29?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where to next?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Lawrenceville, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what time and day is that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The same day at 6:04 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then where does he go?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Gray, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what time is that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 10:06 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And it looks like there's three calls in a row that you keep him -- you place him in Gray, Georgia, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And now, we move on to -- that's the end of the entries for the 2nd, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And now we're moving on to the 3rd?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The first place you put him on the 3rd is where?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The West Columbia Wal-Mart.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Referring back to 77, there's some incoming read texts coming from -- starting at 4:41 p.m. and going through 5:33 p.m. that are from Travis Jones -- the first two are from Travis Jones and the next two are from Roberta Thornsberry. Would you read those texts out loud?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The first one from Travis Jones says, Hey, call me when you can. The second one says, It's an emergency. The first text from Roberta says, Timmy, please, please, baby, let grandma know where you're at. Please, please, call me, please. The second one says, I can do your sweetheart so scared, please call, babe.
SHAWN GRAHAM: All right. The stop at Wal-Mart, which was that day at 11:05 a.m. and you've actually seen the receipt and you know the items that were purchased, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And those are the items that have been previously testified to, the five-gallon bucket, the blades, the saw, the dust mask, the goggles and the acid?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct. Just to clarify, those text messages that I read were not read on the phone until the following day.
SHAWN GRAHAM: That's the West Columbia Wal-Mart?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: He goes from the West Columbia Wal-Mart to where?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Cayce, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And he goes to a Sunoco gas station. Is that also for gas?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It's from the bank records, but it fits along with his other gas purchases.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The next item, item number 30, you've got him at an Advanced Auto?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes, in Lake City, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Where is he at?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Lake City, outside of Florence.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you know what he bought?
BRIAN TRAVIS: We have a receipt for it. I know there was oil and oil filter, pliers and a drain plug for a 2006 Cadillac Escalade.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Pliers, drain plug and oil?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Oil, pliers, an oil filter and a drain plug.
SHAWN GRAHAM: After that purchase at Advance Auto for an oil change, where do you place him at?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The next morning, he's in Charleston, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The first entry you have on the next day on the 4th is at what time?
BRIAN TRAVIS: At 3:41 a.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where do you place him at those times?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Charleston, South Carolina. Specifically, it's -- I think James Island is where the tower is.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Now, at the same time or approximately the same time on State's 77 on the last page, 3:44 a.m., what's the web history? 3:44 a.m. on September 4th?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The best nonextradition countries to be invisible slash is not available.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then the next Google search at 3:47:30 a.m. in the morning on September 4th was what?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Missing children, Tim Jones.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And you have him in Charleston during the time of that search roughly -- you have him there at 3:43 and the search was at 3:47, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: All right. After Charleston, where does he go?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Camden, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And how do you know that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: We have receipts, video and I think we also have -- it was also on the bank records.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you know what he purchased there?
BRIAN TRAVIS: He made one purchase for gas and then one purchase was food and cigarettes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The next place you put him?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The Dollar General in Orangeburg, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what date and time was that?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 5:17 p.m. on 9/4.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And that's where the purchase was for trash bags, I believe, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Trash bags, Mentos, Red Bull and sunglasses.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Sunglasses. After the Dollar General, where does he go?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The ATM in Lexington.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So we're back in Lexington on Augusta Road. That's the State Federal Credit Union ATM?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what time is it?
BRIAN TRAVIS: The first item -- the first time we put him there is 6:33.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So there are four or five transactions at the ATM right in a row, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What's the first transaction done at the ATM at that time?
BRIAN TRAVIS: An account balance check.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you know how much the account was -- the balance was at that time?
BRIAN TRAVIS: I don't recall offhand.
SHAWN GRAHAM: What's the next transaction at the ATM?
BRIAN TRAVIS: He took $40 out of the ATM.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then what's the next transaction?
BRIAN TRAVIS: He deposited $3,518.49.
SHAWN GRAHAM: He deposited $3,518.49. Do you know where that -- were you able to determine in your investigation and the documents that you had available to you where that money came from?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It came from UBS Financial. It was employee stock purchase plan funds.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So Intel stock that got sold?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you know when he initiated that transaction?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Not offhand, but it was -- it was not -- you know, it was something that was initiated. It wasn't automatic.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Let me show you a document and ask if that refreshes your memory?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes. The check was issued on 8/26/14.
SHAWN GRAHAM: But he had to initiate the request for the check, so when was that made?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 8/19.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So he asked for the check on 8/19, the check was cut on the 26th, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That's what it shows.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where was it mailed to?
BRIAN TRAVIS: P.O. Box , Columbia, South Carolina 29221.
SHAWN GRAHAM: I'm sorry, city and state again?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Columbia, South Carolina.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Columbia. So P.O. Box in Columbia, South Carolina was where that check was mailed?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And that shows an amount of $3,518.49, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It does.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And that was deposited at a State Federal Credit Union where, Augusta Road?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Augusta Road.
SHAWN GRAHAM: After that deposit, what's the next transaction?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Then he withdrew $260 from the same ATM.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And that takes us to the 5th, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Where is the next physical location you can place him?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Louisville, Georgia.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Where is Louisville, Georgia?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It's kind of east of Macon, I believe.
SHAWN GRAHAM: So was it before -- and if I'm incorrect, correct me. The first time we tracked to the far side of Birmingham, Alabama, we were on the interstates?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: This time, are we on interstates or are we below the interstates in rural areas?
BRIAN TRAVIS: As far as I'm aware, it's a rural area. I have never been down there, but it is not along I-20. It looks like a state highway.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And is that from bank records or receipt?
BRIAN TRAVIS: That one's from bank records.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The following location is a whole day later, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where do you place him then?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Greenville, Alabama.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And that's -- we're far past using call records or phone extractions, you're just now solely relying on bank records and receipts, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where is he at that time?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Greenville, Alabama.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And it shows two purchases there, is that correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: From the Bypass Food Mart?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then the next one -- and the time of those is 9:18 on the 6th, correct?
BRIAN TRAVIS: 9:14 and 9:18.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The next physical place you can put him is where?
BRIAN TRAVIS: In Camden, Alabama at 1:06 p.m.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And what happens there?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Withdrew $500 from a Community Neighbor Bank ATM.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Are you aware of where the children's bodies were recovered?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Vaguely.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Do you know whether it is between Greenville, Alabama and Camden, Alabama?
BRIAN TRAVIS: It is.
SHAWN GRAHAM: The last purchase that you show is on the evening of the 6th at 6:09 p.m., correct.
BRIAN TRAVIS: Yes.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And where is that at physically?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Laurel, Mississippi.
SHAWN GRAHAM: And then your last entry shows the traffic stop at approximately 7:57 p.m. that night?
BRIAN TRAVIS: Correct.
SHAWN GRAHAM: Thank you, Detective Travis.
ROBERT MADSEN: No further questions.
THE COURT: You may step down. How are we doing? Okay. We did videotapes earlier, a couple of them. This one is about two hours and 20 minutes. We can come back and do it Tuesday and break for the day or we can do an hour of it today and come back and do an hour of it--
JUROR: Could you repeat yourself, Your Honor?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The next witness is a videotape --
THE COURT: Two hours and 15 minutes if my recollection is right. He came and testified, it's been recorded and it's on there, we play it up there. So I can tell you how long it will go. It will go two hours and 15 minutes. We can watch an hour and come back and watch an hour Tuesday or we can break for the day.
JUROR: I think it would be best if we watched it Tuesday in its entirety.
THE COURT: I kind of agree with y'all. It makes better sense if you don't break it up. All witnesses do. I'm not just commenting on his witness.
JUROR: We want to be able to focus.
THE COURT: Now, let's talk about the weekend. We've got a long weekend. We're coming back Tuesday at regular time. Y'all enjoy your weekend. Get some rest. Enjoy time with your family. Do whatever you're supposed to do. Don't fret over the case, don't worry over the case, try not to think about the case. That's what I'm going to do and I want y'all to do the same. Do not do any independent research on the internet. Don't watch any news accounts. That's my instruction and advise to you. So if anybody tries to contact you and communicate with you, I'd like to know about it. All right. Enjoy your weekend. Put your stuff up. I'll see you Tuesday morning. (Whereupon, the jury was excused from the courtroom. The trial will resume on Tuesday, May 28, 2019.)