4.Ronald Rogers — Direct
79 linesRONALD ROGERS, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
COURT CLERK: Once you're seated, state your full name, spelling your last, please.
RONALD ROGERS: Ronald Rogers, R-O-G-E-R-S.
DIRECT EXAMINATION By Mr. Madsen:
ROBERT MADSEN: Officer Rogers, where are you employed?
RONALD ROGERS: Kirkland Correctional.
ROBERT MADSEN: And how long have you been with SCDC?
RONALD ROGERS: Approximately, eight years.
ROBERT MADSEN: And what facility are you employed at?
RONALD ROGERS: Kirkland.
ROBERT MADSEN: Kirkland. Have you spent the entire time there at Kirkland?
RONALD ROGERS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: And back in 2014, did you end up going to kind of a special area of Kirkland?
RONALD ROGERS: It was self behavior -- self injury behavior unit.
ROBERT MADSEN: The MSU?
RONALD ROGERS: No. It was a different program.
ROBERT MADSEN: Okay.
RONALD ROGERS: It was inmates that self mutilated.
ROBERT MADSEN: That's where you were back then?
RONALD ROGERS: When he came through, yes. It was a new program.
ROBERT MADSEN: And you're a trained CIT officer --
RONALD ROGERS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: -- correct?
RONALD ROGERS: Crisis intervention training.
ROBERT MADSEN: And I think we've heard a little bit about that. Did you -- well, your general shift is what?
RONALD ROGERS: 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. I work the overnight shift.
ROBERT MADSEN: And you're the night shift?
RONALD ROGERS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: And as a CIT officer, were you one of the officers who had to sit outside of Tim's cell?
RONALD ROGERS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: So he had --
RONALD ROGERS: That was a requirement. They wanted -- yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: Go ahead. I'm sorry.
RONALD ROGERS: That was a requirement. They wanted a CIT officer to sit in front of the cell.
ROBERT MADSEN: Was that unusual to have a CIT officer sit outside of an inmate's cell?
RONALD ROGERS: At the time, we were saying it was -- you know, it was a new program. So they thought it was probably beneficial, since we went through the crisis intervention training, for one of us to sit in front of it.
ROBERT MADSEN: And was Tim quiet while you were there?
RONALD ROGERS: He was quiet.
ROBERT MADSEN: Did he keep to himself?
RONALD ROGERS: Yes, he did.
ROBERT MADSEN: I would imagine there's not a lot of rec and that going on from that night shift?
RONALD ROGERS: No.
ROBERT MADSEN: Not a lot of doctor's visits?
RONALD ROGERS: No.
ROBERT MADSEN: Attorney's visits usually?
RONALD ROGERS: No.
ROBERT MADSEN: So he was just basically in the cell?
RONALD ROGERS: In the cell.
ROBERT MADSEN: Now, when he came in there, there was quite a bit of publicity about his case, correct?
RONALD ROGERS: Yes. It was a high profile case, you know, on news, media. So a lot of inmates knew what had happened.
ROBERT MADSEN: Did the other inmates call out to him or threaten him?
RONALD ROGERS: They were saying some derogatory stuff.
ROBERT MADSEN: Did he ever engage back with them?
RONALD ROGERS: I told him, don't entertain that.
ROBERT MADSEN: And he did not?
RONALD ROGERS: No.
ROBERT MADSEN: While you were there, did he ever give you any problems?
RONALD ROGERS: No. He was very polite.
ROBERT MADSEN: He was respectful to you?
RONALD ROGERS: Very respectful.
ROBERT MADSEN: Was he compliant with you?
RONALD ROGERS: Yes. He was.
ROBERT MADSEN: Was he courteous?
RONALD ROGERS: Yes.
ROBERT MADSEN: As an experienced correctional officer, do you have any concerns about when Tim is permanently placed in SCDC?
RONALD ROGERS: Well, the fact that this crime is dealing with children, that's highly looked down on in prison population.
ROBERT MADSEN: So nothing with him, just -- not with him being a predator? More --
RONALD ROGERS: No.
ROBERT MADSEN: -- of him being prey?
RONALD ROGERS: Yeah.
ROBERT MADSEN: That's all the questions I have.
BOYD YOUNG: No questions, Your Honor.
THE COURT: You may step down. Thank you, sir.
ROBERT MADSEN: Your Honor, may they both be excused?
THE COURT: They certainly may.
CASEY SECOR: Your Honor, may I approach?
THE COURT: You may. (Whereupon, a bench conference was held in the presence of the jury but out of the hearing of the jury.)
THE COURT: All right. Call your witness.
CASEY SECOR: Thank you, sir. The Defense calls Roberta Thornsberry.